# 72: Beyond Ayahuasca: Exploring the Realm of Shamanic Healing | Jonathan Beaudette

Jonathan Beaudette: 0:00

it start with my hands. Where my hands would feel like they just become total space then they would swell up as atoms or something and just expand throughout everything. And that would sink into my body and my body would explode and become everything, it would just get bigger and bigger.

Jon Astacio: 0:19

Alright. Welcome to the New Age Human Podcast. I'm your host, Jon Astacio, and today we're talking with Jonathan Beaudette who is a composer, artist, producer who creates music that charges the soul. So it's interesting because we first start talking about his awakening from the Matrix experience, like red pill style, and then. It just takes a sharp turn into a cluster of fascinating experiences he had with a shaman that his father introduced him to. But he actually considers this person more of like a wizard, just based off of the amazing experiences he had. We're talking about like, Lord, the Rings style stuff. So before we begin, all I ask is if you wanna support the show. Leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts if you're listening from there. And join the newsletter so you can get updates on future episodes, the future of the show and future projects that you can join in on and benefit from. So without further ado, let's get to the show. We are, we are good. There's no countdown. Awesome. right, so Jonathan, thanks for coming on the show. I'm excited. How's it going man?

Jonathan Beaudette : 1:33

It's going really good. going great. Having a massive storm here in California. It's awesome.

Jon Astacio: 1:40

yeah, you were just saying that you, uh, had to go over this to get to your studio and then. The rain is falling from the sky, I think, what, eight at? At the time of recording 18 hours straight. And you're in California, right? Yeah. though, the, the amount of rain coming down isn't as much as there has been in other storms that have happened less so. We've had more rain in more amount of a time. I only know this because the, the river by my place. Uh, when it floods, it just gets to a certain height you can, it's like wow.

Jonathan Beaudette : 2:13

And, uh, it doesn't quite get there. It was pretty high, but not quite. So even though it's been raining for 18 hours solid, like in the rain, 45 degrees,'cause the wind's blowing, it was, it's been crazy, but somehow it's just not as much as one other time. That was

Jon Astacio: 2:29

insane

Jonathan Beaudette : 2:31

That happened a lot faster. I think that's probably why.'cause just if it comes down really fast, really intensely, quickly. yeah, it's gonna flood extra high, but freaking out

Jonathan Beaudette: 2:41

around here cause it's la what do we do? It's raining, you know?

Jon Astacio: 2:44

Every, is everybody running out of their houses screaming, looking at the sky?

Jonathan Beaudette : 2:48

Yeah, exactly.

Jon Astacio: 2:50

You are a composer of sorts and your thing is music. And before we start, I have to ask, because we started with the conversation around water. What are your thoughts around water and the sound of it for relaxation? Have you ever used it? And I just, I'm curious about your thoughts.

Jonathan Beaudette : 3:10

Yeah, I have, uh, recordings of rain, my own recordings of rain and ocean also. Um, and of course. A lot of streams, different types of streams, rivers, little tiny brooks, little everything from waterfalls. I just go out in nature and hike a lot and I have a portable mic recording system and I, so I, capture a lot of water sounds actually.

Jon Astacio: 3:37

That's am not surprised. pretty awesome. That, um, that's actually pretty cool. So, uh, I like the idea that, um. When I sent you like, questions, funny. Um, for the, for the audience, when I have a guest on, I'm like, Hey, you know, setting a, just gimme couple of stories that we can jump into maybe, you know, make it interesting. And a lot of times I'm surprised I don't get any, I say, um, the, the, the guest says. Two words or completely fills in something completely unrelated. And then Jonathan here has like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. I'm like, this guy is loaded with stories. So this is gonna be interesting Um, and right before we started, right before I hit record, I'm like, where do you want to start? And we're like, let's just start from the beginning. So let's start from the beginning.'cause feel like you know what you wanna share. ahead, Jonathan.

Jonathan Beaudette : 4:36

Yeah. So this is a spiritual based podcast, right? So, Yes. um. I kind of grew up what I call in the muggle world. That's a, that's a Harry Potter reference. The Muggles for these, I mean, who doesn't know about Harry Potter, but in case you don't, muggles are the regular nonw, non-Ag people. They're, and they don't even know the Wizard World exists. Okay. So I lived in that world, otherwise known as the Matrix. Grew up there and everything was good. My dad, when I was in high school, my dad started to kind of introduce me to. Affirmations or mind over matter type of

Jonathan Beaudette: 5:14

stuff that you could use your mind to change things about

Jon Astacio: 5:18

I'm actually surprised that your father introduced this you.'cause that world, the mother, at least in my experience, but go ahead. I that in there.

Jonathan Beaudette: 5:29

Yeah. No, all my spiritual, um, my spiritual guide really was my dad for a long time.

Jon Astacio: 5:35

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette : 5:36

Yeah. Not my mom. So he, uh, yeah, he was just sort of learning about it himself, so he was just sharing it with me and I kind of took to it. So, um, when I, I was a really, really skinny kid in high school and I wanted to be in the Air Force. I wanted to be a fighter pilot, so I decided, uh, to join the Air Force, but I was way too, I was like 20 pounds underweight

Jon Astacio: 6:01

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette : 6:02

for their, minimum, you know. So, um, and

Jon Astacio: 6:06

Wait, you, you were Captain America.

Jonathan Beaudette : 6:10

exactly, exactly. I, yeah, so this is the mid eighties and there was not like the protein, you know, drinks of today that taste good and everyone's got these amazing formulas and, you know, pea protein, whey protein, you know, all kinds of hemp protein or whatever. It's just every kind of cricut protein. There's all kinds of protein now. So, no, back then it was just a horrible tasting. So, but I guzzled it down and I gained 20 pounds so I could get in do my thing. And then I lost it all within the first couple days because it, I, it wasn't muscle, it was just, you know, water weight really. And they just, you know, sweat you to death in the, in basic training. So, but anyway, I grew up in the muggle world and everything seemed normal other than just some. Uh, you know, affirmation of mind over matter type stuff, which I was playing with. And one of the things was that I wanted to be 150 pounds, which is what my minimum was by, uh, by a certain date that I, so I could get into the Air Force and every night I go to sleep and I just imagine myself being bigger. And my mantra was, I weigh 150 pounds. I weigh 150 pounds, I weigh 150 pounds. And it was just. Constant. So for what it's worth, I achieved that goal. That's not the particular interesting story about it, but it was just my introduction to I'm more than my body and my mind has the power to do all kinds of things. So there's some other experiences I have in the Air Force that I, I use that technique. But, um, the biggest thing was when I was. in Japan, I was stationed in Japan, was my first place, uh, Yokota Airbase. And I was living there it was like, I think it was my 20th birthday, my dad's girlfriend, who was really the impetus for all his spiritual growth, his new girlfriend at the time. Um, she sent me, uh, Dan Millman's Way, the Peaceful Warrior. It's a classic, classic book. Um, and I read that book and something happened to me. It woke me up. It's, you know, have energy, the book, the consciousness, the overall consciousness and whatever code sort of that it had energetically built into it that it hit me and it just sort of woke me up and I was, it was my red pill moment where I. Not this new term of red pill. It has some sort of new thing With the Zoomers or the Yeah, the, the Zoomers. The, uh, gen Z has a red, I don't know, I think it means slightly a little different thing, but, so I'm talking classic matrix. Yeah, classic Matrix Yeah. You come out of what you thought reality was. Yeah, and uh, and I was different. I was a very different person and at that time I was reading stuff about, you know, extraterrestrials and quantum physics and. Kind of really stretching myself a little bit with that already. But that book changed me and all my friends knew it. They're like, what happened to you? You're different. What's going on? And I, you know, I can try to, can't discuss it. I tried. I thought it was really cool. Like everybody, everybody else would be into it. And they're like, what are you talking about? know? So that was the, that was a huge thing. And then I realized, oh, I don't want to be a fighter pilot. I'm a musician. whole life trajectory changed.

Jon Astacio: 9:39

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette : 9:40

Fit into the military. This isn't my thing. Everything changed

Jon Astacio: 9:44

All from that one book.

Jonathan Beaudette : 9:45

yeah, on one book, and I read that book over and over and over. I transcribed the book. I was

Jon Astacio: 9:52

Oh.

Jonathan Beaudette: 9:52

into it. I wrote down all the cool lines and the cool things, and I had a whole notebook of the book. It was, I was obsessed. I was 20 and I was just like, it just woke me up. I was not the same person.

Jon Astacio: 10:04

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 10:05

uh, that was a pretty, and I've heard a couple other people have. Have had that type of awakening type of thing. But it's also pretty common that people have, um, you know, there's a health issue, there's a financial struggle, there's a life does something to you that wakes you up. There's a big death or something, there's a loss of some kind relationship thing, and it kind of wakes people up and they start having difficulty. So they start searching for answers. And so they go, oh, I'll try the meditation, or I'll try this. Self-help book, whatever it might be. You know, I'll, I'll look at Joe Dispenza or I'll look at, uh, you know, Louise Hay or somebody, you know, they're gonna Maryanne Williamson, they're gonna gravitate, something's gonna invite them to kind of open up to a little bit of a bigger picture. So the process is often gradual, but mine was a, a snap. It was just like, bam. And you're, oh, where am I? What am I doing? I was like, so I had to fulfill my tour in the Air Force. You have a contract. And I wasn't able to get out four months early. But, um, that was only because the job I had, they had, they had plenty of people. They, they didn't need me. So,

Jon Astacio: 11:18

Oh, I see.

Jonathan Beaudette: 11:18

that. If the military does that, they're like, there's be, there'll be windows where if your particular job has a lot of, uh, personnel and you don't want to be in it, it'll go, okay, cool. We'll sweat.

Jon Astacio: 11:31

First of all, that's awesome. I mean, to your point, yes. Everybody has their own journey as far as waking up, so to speak. And uh, it's funny how using the term, waking up means someone's sleeping, then who's sleeping, and thinking, thinking, am I sleeping? And they're like, no, I'm not.'cause I'm listening to this. So it's, it's like, it, it puts the mind in a frenzy, just that term. So just when you talk about those subjects, um, it's, it's like waking people up and the, the matrix pill, right? The red pill is just being, um. Slowly passed out. Um,

Jonathan Beaudette: 12:07

Yeah.

Jon Astacio: 12:08

I'm actually curious in when you were in the military, in, in the Air Force and you were doing your thing, uh, what was it like talking to the guys? Like what kind of responses did you get from other guys there when you tried to talk to them? I'm actually pretty curious.

Jonathan Beaudette: 12:25

Uh, it's difficult to remember it, it was a long time ago, but, uh, it was generally like, whatever, man, but what are you talking about? What, you know? It was just sort of like, what, what are you doing?

Jon Astacio: 12:36

Wow, so.

Jonathan Beaudette: 12:37

nowhere you start talking about all this zen kind of language and stuff, thinking they're like, it was just sort of, they weren't, they didn't dismiss me.'cause we were all, we've been friends for a long time. You tend to work with the same guys. Your tour is two years, so you'll probably be with the same guys for two years. So we are pretty good friends and, and everyone's just like. All

Jon Astacio: 12:58

All

Jonathan Beaudette: 12:58

right, Beaudette and everyone calls you by your last name generally too. So just say, okay, Beaudette Cool.

JA AUDIO: 13:05

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So one of the other questions that you, or stories that I'm just dying to get into is. The time you were learning from a shaman slash wizard type for over a decade, what is what?

Jon Astacio: 13:22

How did that happen?

Jonathan Beaudette: 13:24

yeah. Well, again, from my dad, actually,

Jon Astacio: 13:27

He's the wizard.

Jonathan Beaudette: 13:28

no, no, he, he led me to the guy, uh, yeah. So let's see, where am I? So I was Air Force. I got out, I got a massage therapy license while I was doing. uh, well, I was doing massage. I was doing music, so it was just a way for me to, uh, help people and, know, have my, I can make my own hours and do my thing and still do music. but during that time, uh, I was living in Durango, Colorado and my dad was in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is about three, four hours from each other through the mountains. And, uh. So my dad's, when they said he's, I, I've been working with this guy, you know, we do these, um, medicine journeys and, um, at the time was a blend of, um, what people know as ayahuasca now and, um, musher mushrooms. So, uh, that was, that was kind of what he was. He's not around anymore in case anybody's wondering. Um, Brooks was his name

Jon Astacio: 14:34

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 14:35

So he, uh, my dad introduced me to him he goes, you, you should try out, try out one of these things. I was like, okay. So I, I did my first one with him and, uh, it was a group one with my dad was there and some small people, like not, not small people, but a small amount of people. They were regular sized humans. Some were shorter than others,

Jonathan Beaudette : 14:59

but, um.

Jon Astacio: 15:00

No. Oompa Loompa. Got it.

Jonathan Beaudette : 15:02

That's

Jonathan Beaudette: 15:02

right. And so, uh, yeah, I did, I had my first, um, true sort of shamanic journey medicine experience and, uh, it wasn't really my thing. I didn't gravitate to it, like, oh, this is so wild. But it was very interesting and I, I had an experience during that that I used to have as a kid all the time, and I had forgotten that I used to have that as a kid. But as a kid, I would have these dreams and sometimes they'd be awake. Sometimes I'd be in a dream state. But the dream thing, it was weird. It was like my hands, it always had to do with my hands, and my hands would, and it would enter my body, but it start with my hands. Where my hands would feel like they just become total space

Jon Astacio: 15:47

and

Jonathan Beaudette: 15:47

that they, then they would swell up as atoms or something and just expand throughout everything. And that would sink into my body and my body would explode and become everything, it would just get bigger and bigger. And I was a kid, and this would happen a lot of times when I was sleeping

Jon Astacio: 16:05

Oh, this is

Jonathan Beaudette: 16:06

couldn't feel my body.

Jon Astacio: 16:07

so tho those were normal dreams that you had before the Ayahuasca trip. Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 16:12

when I was a kid. But when I had that ayahuasca journey, that's it all, it happened again in the journey. And I had for, I was like, oh, I used to do this all the time when I was a kid. that was kind of wild that I could do that. And then for man, several months after, I could initiate that thing at, will, that feeling. And all I had to do was just sort of let my hands sort of expand. It was weird. They'd be, would, they would, it would feel like my hands become translucent and then get huge and fill up the universe and then that feeling would sink into my whole body and I could. Be looking at, like, I was sitting in my truck one time looking at the steering wheel and I said, let me just try it. I wasn't driving, but I was just sitting there and it started to happen and I was like, And I could use my eyes, I could see the steering wheel, but I felt like I was everything. And it was not a subtle thing, like, oh, I'm kind of sensing like I, no, this was just, everything shifts and then, and so it, it trickled away, but. That my first journey experience was pretty, uh, wild like that. And then I started to just work with Brooks, but Brooks was not a normal dude there in la Uh, you go around every corner and there's a, there's a urban shaman somewhere. You know, everybody's a shaman healer and it's just like, no, that's not what I'm talking about. This guy, and he was a white dude. he had a really unique background, but people are just born with certain types of abilities. And he did end up traveling around the world and studying with a lot of different gurus and other shamans and stuff. Um, but he was already well past normal sort of abilities of being able to perceive through anything. And his ability to heal and know things was, I just, that's why I say he's like more like a wizard.'cause people have this idea of what a shaman is and he wasn't traditional in any kind of. A native type of experience. It was really something he evolved into what he called God shaman. Um, which, okay, so Shaman is, lemme just describe in general, just generalizing is, is one's own ability to, to understand the nature of reality and then go into a place. And change whatever that is. That could be us. A person could be an event, could be a general consciousness of a collective consciousness. the ability to go inside someplace and transform it into you want. So, but the problem with that is that what Brooks discovered is that that style of shamanism is you end up losing a part of yourself a little bit.

Jon Astacio: 19:07

Interesting.

Jonathan Beaudette: 19:08

is lost inside of that. That, and you're only as effective as you are capable. Now what he discovered, partly because of his wife actually was God, what he called God shaman, which God has just used in a very broad sense of, ultimate love and creation and presence. And there's no affiliation of any, um, religion. So if you become present and enter into a place where. Quote, God isn't. You can allow God to be there by your own presence, and as you are present there, it transforms as from a God point of view. So if God has created us whole, the universe, spirit, the dial, the force, what are you gonna call it, has created this whole eternal perfect that our consciousness. Continues after this body physical experience, then that part is the part that you can bring into the human experience and by his ability was to focus that energy into one particular spot. And because he's not doing anything allowing God to do it, it just heals naturally and there's no part of you in it. And it can heal beyond what you could ever think of was possible It's not you that's doing it, it's happening through you. It's

Jon Astacio: 20:38

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 20:38

very different thing and way more powerful actually. So, um, yeah. I mean, he would, he stopped doing the medicine journeys after a while because he found people could be more effective without them. Actually. It's a great stepping stone for people to a certain stage, but it's actually a limitation after a while. And it'll hold you back from even going way further than you could ever go.

Jon Astacio: 21:04

Are you able to talk a little bit further into that part? Because I think that's huge. I know that that's a, it's a big craze and whenever I mention Ayahuasca, people are like, oh, you gotta do it. And it becomes this big thing. And I, and it's very interesting that you bring that up. Um, yeah, if you can dive deeper into that, I think a lot of people appreciate it.

Jonathan Beaudette: 21:22

yeah. So I was never really into the journey thing. First of all. Uh, I found it useful, but. It wasn't like some other people I knew that were doing them once or twice a week. And

Jon Astacio: 21:33

Oh, yes.

Jonathan Beaudette: 21:34

you know, this is not just the complete people that I knew. This is, it's, it's a quite a big thing. And um, it's addicting and it's like you have to be honest with yourself. It's a drug addiction

Jon Astacio: 21:46

Mm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 21:47

a natural drugs, you know, they're natural substances come outta the earth. Great. But if, if you can't stop something. That's the definition of an addiction. If you can't make a choice to stop, then that you're addicted. It doesn't matter what it is.

Jon Astacio: 22:01

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 22:04

okay, so let's see. Uh, I was never really that into it, and I always felt like that he would move out of that himself, and he, and he ended up doing that because I, I could tell like that it's useful for me in some ways and it helps me heal some things. But, and that's the other thing by the way, is that when he would take you through a journey, he was not on substance. Also. He didn't need to be. He the, I'm telling you, this guy, he was like a Yoda. That's, this is why I call him a wizard.

Jon Astacio: 22:38

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 22:39

from Lord of the Rings or something. He truly was somebody who had sensory abilities that doesn't make, he's this amazing human being. You know, he's a person and he has childhood wounds and he had issues, you know, but outside of that, his ability to hold space for your unique divine self, to be present as your body what it would heal psychically, psychologically, physically, emotionally, it, it, it was profound what could happen

Jon Astacio: 23:09

Wait,

Jonathan Beaudette: 23:10

without talking things through and stuff. It was, you just shift.

Jon Astacio: 23:14

did he, so he. Used to use Ayahuasca as a catalyst to get you to the space where he can work with you. Right. And then you said he stopped that. What did he use after that as a catalyst?

Jonathan Beaudette: 23:30

Nothing.

Jon Astacio: 23:32

Was it basically meditation?

Jonathan Beaudette: 23:33

Yeah. No. He just taught people how to do it without doing it. So I can, I can show you some of the things that he was doing now.

Jon Astacio: 23:40

Let's do it.

Jonathan Beaudette: 23:42

But yeah, but let's get, let me get through the, some of the journey stuff. Is that he, he found it was not as useful with it because it, it's like anything else. It's great for a while. you need a crutch, awesome. But if you don't work to, um, do supplements, do physical therapy to help your leg heal. And you just wanna stay with the cast and the crutch. That's cool. It's your life. Do whatever you want. But these things are crutches

Jon Astacio: 24:19

Mm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 24:20

they're way better used every couple years, you know, every five years you feel like, oh, something needs to, let me just make sure that cool, whatever. But it's just every week thing or every month one, it's just like, come on. So. So this is really simple. We are not separate. From the source. We just are not, we look at our bodies and we, we look at everybody else's bodies and physical reality, we can say, yes, that's not true. I'm separate. Clearly you and I are separate. We are not one clearly. But that's a part of the spiritual path is to start to learn to see beyond the physical senses and to experience life from a more. Whole experience. We have more senses than just our eyeballs and ears and taste and touch and all that. Um, everybody knows about the, you know, spiritual way about the third eye and sort of the psychic sort of senses. But there's more than that even. And anybody can do this right now. It's really, really simple. So. There is breath work, by the way, too. Breath work you can do, you can get yourself into really elevated states. Um, that's very similar to the, um, medicine journey stuff, so all you have to do and people can close their eyes or not, you don't even have to do it, but just let yourself be still for a moment and just be with yourself. be. If you just let yourself be, you don't have to do anything or try to stop thinking or any of that. There's nothing to actually do except to just let yourself exist for a moment. And this is not what he would do, but I'm just sort of setting it up because this is a podcast and people that are listening and they're doing stuff, when you, if you were sitting with him, would be necessary'cause it's already, you're already present in a room

Jon Astacio: 26:32

Yeah.

Jonathan Beaudette: 26:32

sort of intent. So all you have to do is go, is make a statement that's based on I am. I Am is eternal. You are I Am You are the I. There is only the I there part. The M us understand the I, but it's really just about the I, you know, uh. So if you just, you can say out loud and it helps to say it out loud because affects your body and, and we're used to speaking. So there's um, a way that it affects your body and you tend to believe it a little more too, if you can say it out loud, but you can say it to yourself if you want. And also you can get beyond the point where you have to even say the word. Just the awareness of it will make it happen. But for now, so the words are, I am only who I am. I'm only who I am as this body and nothing else. John, repeat after me. I'm gonna say it, and then you repeat after me and then we'll just let it happen. And as soon as we have evoked it, it just happens. That's how simple. It's

Jon Astacio: 27:54

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 27:55

so. I am only who I am as my body and nothing else. Go ahead

Jon Astacio: 28:04

I am only who I am as my body and nothing else.

Jonathan Beaudette: 28:10

right, and then just sit and, but allow the feeling to happen. It's a feeling.

Jon Astacio: 28:29

That statement forces me to be extremely present

Jonathan Beaudette: 28:36

Yeah.

Jon Astacio: 28:37

because you're. Living each word, so to speak, and you're, it's easy to question the words, but when you say that statement, I am, that's a very, uh, as a matter of fact statement, and I can see that, how that can put someone into a, uh, a present moment and slip into that state a lot easier. I can also see that this. Shaman, this God shaman, when you get to, uh, a high level of consciousness, right, you affect the area around you and much of the world around you based off of just how. Consciously aware, and I don't wanna say evolved, but just expanded. You are, let's just say and, and it makes perfect sense. Where something as simple as that, if you are in that space yourself, anybody that's within the vicinity of you is going to easily slip into that. I'm sure. And then it also makes sense how he himself said, yes, we could do the medicine. But the medicine is like, like a, uh, it's like a, a, a, it, it pulls the curtain so they can see the actual real world. And then that experience of seeing the, the outside world, the real world, the veil of the matrix will change you because of understanding and what you see. But I can also see him saying that, you know. Why not work to keep the window open without needing to take medicine. And he's seeing that as a crutch where you would assume that you need the medicine to be able to open the curtain when the reality is all these stimulants and hallucinogens are just, I just had a conversation with someone the other day where it's, it's a button. It's, it's a trigger for your body to do what it already. Is capable of doing, it's just an activator of sorts. And so he's like, I'm pretty sure he said, or was thinking just that where people are glorifying Right. They're putting the, the medicine on a, on a pedestal.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:06

Yeah,

Jon Astacio: 31:07

Right.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:08

Yeah,

Jon Astacio: 31:09

Okay. Okay. So I'm on the same page. yeah, it makes complete sense.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:12

Instead of you recognizing that you are God,

Jon Astacio: 31:16

Mm-hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:17

There is no separation. There is, I'm gonna use the word God. I can use the word source there. The source of you is no, not even further from you than your own breath. so you, and as you just take a moment to go, I am only who I am as my body. You can even say I'm only what I am as

Jon Astacio: 31:39

Oh.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:40

And then you can even focus it even more. I am only what I am who I am my body, especially in relationship to. And then pick a spot where you struggle. Could

Jon Astacio: 31:55

mm-Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 31:56

with this person, could be in relationship to my sexuality, could be in relationship to the, tightness in my neck. It could be whatever. Just let it focus it there, and then just let who you are and things will heal and shift. You have to, but you can't just. Don't try to help it. Don't try to imagine anything. Don't try to, don't try to help it. Like where you gonna, you're gonna help the universe. You're gonna help, you're gonna help the divine perfect nature of you do something. You, the ego, what you, no. You just stay out of the way and you can through your, through your day with this feeling that I am only who I am and everybody I see is the same thing also. All right.

Jon Astacio: 32:50

What I want to ask you is. And you brought up a good point, don't get in the way of the source doing its thing.'cause you're working with your ego, your limited ego, and, um, that's completely opposite from all the, just growing up in the western world. Um, and to that point, in that concept, do you have. A story you're willing to share where you did let source take over and you let the ego go so that you can heal a wound of sorts, whether it be emotional relationship. I'm very curious'cause it does feel like you're speaking from experience.

Jonathan Beaudette: 33:31

Mm-Hmm. Yeah, I, I, don't know. Thousands, thousands, and thousands.

Jon Astacio: 33:38

Maybe a wacky, crazy one

Jonathan Beaudette: 33:39

times,

Jon Astacio: 33:41

or very like just it caught you off guard. It was very impactful for you

Jonathan Beaudette: 33:46

coming to me now. That's, that was really, really surprising. when I was in a, a class with him, he was teaching and there was a girl that I was friends with, but also really, really, really liked. And it was, it was a, it wasn't just, I liked her, it was like. When I met her, something went into my body and my heart exploded. It was not a normal thing. And I'm not talking like I, you know, I'm talking earlier about my hands and now what I, this whole experience just now, this is not, I'm not saying this kind of stuff happens to me all the time. I'm just telling you a couple times I've had some really interesting experiences. is, I don't go walking every week. Oh, there's a new thing I just experienced.

Jon Astacio: 34:32

Oh, his heart exploded. You hear that?

Jonathan Beaudette: 34:34

yeah. it was, so something went inside me and, and I, I was really heartbroken at the time too. And, uh, and it just changed me. So, and I'd known her for a long time. We were getting to know each other and being friends and stuff, and it was all fine. But she was also coming out of something. And so there was, uh, that guy, which he sent her flowers to the class. It was Valentine's Day. He sent her flowers to the class and they, somebody

Jon Astacio: 35:02

Brooks.

Jonathan Beaudette: 35:02

the door, clunk, clunk. No. Um, this girl's ex guy sent flowers to our class, so he knocks on the door and Brooks is like, what the hell? And he opens the door, there's flowers there, and he is like, what? And anyway, so he gives the flowers to her and I know where they came from, and it just, just, my heart just collapsed. It would've been fine in any other circumstance, but we're there in a spiritual class where doing deep work, it's a very vulnerable kind of openness that you get to, and then to have that come into the class, why? And like, dude, why are you doing it to the class? You know where she lives? You, her dad or her daughter calls you her, daughter calls you dad. not like you don't have a connection Why are you sending flowers to the class? I knew it was a whole nother thing, so it, it, in colla, I just went into a fury that I had never experienced because I felt it was a poke, like he knew about me and there, and like there was a thing. So it just felt like it was a poke. I also, I also got mad at Brooks because. He called Brooks and asked for the address, and Brooks said, sure, here's your address. I was like, Brooks, come on, wake up Matt. What? What are you doing? So I was, the point is I was in this infuriated state and I actually got up and left the class and went down. This is in Venice Beach, and I just went for a walk in the beach and, uh, good friend of mine saw what had happened and she knew what was going on, so she followed me out. And it's a good thing too because I was, it was, it really, really hit a place of darkness that I didn't know I had in me and I was really like, it was really bad. So she got me to go back to the class after about half an hour of walking, talking it out, I go back in and I sat in her spot. So I wasn't sitting next to the girl. Um, and Brooks, he didn't know specifically what was going on, but he could feel like. What was going on. so this is like midday. Within a few hours I could feel Brooks working on me as he's doing the class. I could feel him working on me.

Jon Astacio: 37:19

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 37:19

know what it felt like. And at the end of the class, my heart was so open, I was completely pure. I was talking to her, I was talking to everybody else, as if there was never an issue. was gone and it never came back. It was just gone. And to have that type of, to go from such an intensely dark place that I didn't even know I had in me have that arise and then have complete peace go. And so in order for that to make sense to anybody, have to explain how that worked and why that worked. And the our consciousness has. make a choice to connect to the shadow aspect. It can make a choice to connect to the ego aspect. It can make a choice to connect to any number of wounds. It can make a choice to connect to the higher self. It can make a choice to. You can make a choice. when you're overwhelmed with emotion making that choice is almost impossible, if not impossible, until you get through the emotion enough that you can start to choose. Your trajectory again, unless you're having to work with a master like that guy, in which case he can just sit there and hold space. Like again, he's not doing anything. He holds space for your divine truth to be the dominant point of your con, uh, to be the dominant point of your conscious awareness. So all he did was allow that to be the truth. He wasn't trying to clear out wounds or darkness'cause then you're focusing on what isn't real.

Jon Astacio: 39:10

Mm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 39:11

He was just focused on me so intensely, so focused, so fiercely about my truth, which is I am not wounded, I'm not a wounded child. There is no one to let go of. There is no one to grab onto. There is none of this. I am just a whole perfect, beautiful being. And he held space for that. And me being somebody who's willing to not feel like shit, was my choice. I'm willing to let go and feel better. So that allowed, I could have fumed, he could have done that all day. Nothing would've happened. I could have just been holding onto it, but I done so much work. I just knew I feel bad. This is not what I want to feel.

Jon Astacio: 39:57

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 39:57

And so that, that was my part. And then he did his part and it was gone. And the reason it never came back was because I, I had made the choice to so identify with that truth, that my heart is open and I am free. I don't need to catch to anybody. Why am I threatened by somebody's flowers? If this connection with this person is really right, it'll happen. There's nothing I can do or not do about it. And thing a really wise woman said to me once. Was when a relationship is really right, it's really hard to mess it up.

Jon Astacio: 40:33

Interesting.

Jonathan Beaudette: 40:35

And I have experienced that for sure with the person I'm with now. You know, somebody for fif 14 years, you know, there's all kinds of shadow stuff comes up and that's the point. And you can really make some big mistakes. I've made 2% mistakes with some women and they just are gone, you know? I can make huge, mistakes of just my own shadow coming up and saying stuff or acting a certain way or whatever, and the person's still there and I'm still there with her. It's like, it's not like it goes, both goes both ways. And so the shift that I made in that moment was because, one, I chose it, and two, he was holding space as his divine ability could to imprint upon me the truth of who I am. Him

Jon Astacio: 41:27

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 41:27

nothing else. Nothing else at all. Nothing else ever got to exist it solidified it. And that was just that.

Jon Astacio: 41:36

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 41:37

So I experienced that type of thing all the time with him, and I saw him do it to other people. My girlfriend at the time when I was, I lived with him at a retreat center in Ojai. Um, he had a retreat center and it was a little tiny. Canyon had a river running through it and it was an old Humash healing ground. Had a hot spring.

Jon Astacio: 41:58

Wow, what a spot.

Jonathan Beaudette: 42:00

yeah, the Humash tribe. When they, uh, when they learned that,'cause it was a county park for a long time. The county had it, it was a, had an Olympic sized swimming pool. It was sort of a brothel had, you know, it was kind of this rundown county park thing. um, he bought it when the county was getting rid of it, they didn't know what to do with it. So. He bought it and, uh, created a retreat center. But when he did that, the Humash elders came and they gave him an Indian name, which was something like Shush Kuk, which meant young buck. And to him, to them, he was a young buck.

Jon Astacio: 42:36

That's great.

Jonathan Beaudette: 42:37

said that, that, that, that Maha, that was the name of the canyon, mat ha, had been returned to the people

Jon Astacio: 42:43

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 42:44

because of who he was. They could feel his spiritual. Presence and his intent and his, uh, who his, you know, his nature and they sensed it and they came to the property to give him their blessing of being a

Jonathan Beaudette : 42:59

steward for Matilha

Jon Astacio: 43:00

Right. They, they didn't get any, uh. Social media alert because he took a selfie at the place. Check this out. I just bought this. Right? And they're like, oh, let's check'em out. Let's give them, you know. No, they, they sensed it in the field, which is awesome. I I love that. You know, it, it, and that's a true story. I grew up watching movies being, uh, like my whole body would wake up, full body, wake up when I would see that happen in movies. I'm like, that's gotta be real. And it's very pleasing to me to hear that happening in real life in a true, genuine story that people have that connection and will show up and give you a name and be appreciative of what you're doing. So I think that's really cool. That's awesome.

Jonathan Beaudette: 43:46

me tell you one more experience that I said I had with my girlfriend at the time who was living with me at that retreat center, and she, um, had some food poisoning and was just throwing up crazy. And she had a, um, a, a hernia in the stomach area. I forgot what that was called. But, um, and so

Jon Astacio: 44:05

That's intense.

Jonathan Beaudette: 44:06

Yeah, with all the vomiting, she was afraid she was gonna herniate, which was bringing her more into fear. And she's curled up on the floor. And she's just freaking out and hyperventilating and just, and I called Brooks, say Brooks, you know, she's come over, she's, walks in, he goes, oh, so it looks like you're having a hard time. He used very casual about it. He goes, all right, so just, just let yourself relax. And then he would, he would start to roll his head, he close his eyes and he start to roll his head. And he would did real slow, like real slow head movement turning like that. And as soon as he did that. Her, she starts to, her muscles relax and she's next thing. Within a few minutes, her body's completely straightened out. She's breathing normally and she's at peace. And then worked with her about 10 more minutes. He goes, okay, you're good now. So just, you know, try to relax and walked away. She went from a complete, hysterical, emotional, physically wrench, gut wrenching kind of experience. I. To peace within just a few minutes. And you're

Jon Astacio: 45:12

It's,

Jonathan Beaudette: 45:13

And, and I saw this kind of thing happen all the time,

Jon Astacio: 45:16

that's, that's awesome. And it sounds like he, he definitely, alright. He's doing some other stuff now'cause he's tapping into a different level. Not even touching someone, not even prompting someone. He's, he doesn't have a special wand. Right. He's not, doing right. he's the.

Jonathan Beaudette: 45:36

saying anything. He's not saying, well,

Jon Astacio: 45:38

Yeah. Right. he's not, putting on,

Jonathan Beaudette: 45:40

He's not doing anything.

Jon Astacio: 45:42

right. There's not like this weird glow that happens. He's just like

Jonathan Beaudette: 45:46

Yeah,

Jon Astacio: 45:48

rolling his neck. For all we know, he probably had a, a kink in his neck and then, you know, oh, that's amazing. No, I'm just being funny with it, but I'm pretty Sure. it does sound like he has at that level where he's at, he can feel what the person's feeling and. The, and interact with the energy on a deeper level and just have that, have that done, finished, cleared. And to, to, to what you just said earlier, he's bringing in the, a higher source that's not himself, which is huge. So he's doing a lot of great stuff. This guy is like a, he's, he's the real thing man. And he's.

Jonathan Beaudette: 46:32

he, yeah, that's what I said. That's why I said he was not a normal, he had some abilities that were definitely

Jon Astacio: 46:38

this guy is the real deal. I, I did. So going back into ayahuasca and that being more of a, of a, a, ramp, so to speak, into what you want to accomplish, um, how do you tie that into what you're doing now? What made you have, you have, you have all these experiences, these amazing experiences. You learned a lot. You're definitely not a muggle in your own right. You're definitely part of the, the, you know, the, the, you know, in and out of the matrix to help people out type of thing. What got you into doing what you're doing now? I know it's been, uh, we, we've been talking for a bit, maybe briefly give people an idea of like, why out of all these experiences, it, it. The trajectory going to what you're doing now. Very curious why.

Jonathan Beaudette: 47:32

Yeah, well music, uh, I started playing music as a, as a kid here and there, learning Star Wars by ear on the piano and just so music was always a big part of my life. And then when I was in the Air Force, I dove into rock guitar pretty heavy. And started doing that. And um, and then I realized I was a musician and so the whole thing just was always a part of my soul and my purpose, my path. And so creating, um, cinematic meditation, music, a big people ask me, what kind of music do you do? Well, as an artist, I'm not a typical kind of artist. I do artist music and this is my songs or whatever. And. As a composer, I just love cinematic music, so that is what I do. I make cinematic style music. Music that evokes images and feelings. It takes you to a place. As soon as you start to listen, it just takes you somewhere. All music will open up a sort of a, a realm of the energy that it contains. If I play Metallica right now, it's gonna open up a certain feeling in a certain of energy. If I do the same thing with Mozart, it's different. Totally. But it's, it still does the same thing. It opens up a certain vibe and feeling and energy. So for me it's the inner journey. The inner journey has been a big part of my life ever since I met Brooks. even before I was, I had Shamanic books. I was learning how to go inside and kind of do stuff. And so inner journey and using music Brooks was amazing. He would use music too, during his journeys when he was doing that, and he just always seemed to pick the right thing and you just into this place in yourself. It was pretty profound. So that Brooks actually taught me how to hear music differently. You know, there's just so much I got from So between music and the inner journey, that's what I do, you know? So whether I'm writing music for a movie or I'm writing cinematic meditation, music. For people to assist, which is how I met you. People who do guidance for meditation or inner journeys, they want to use music for that. I cr create music that has not only just the, creates a cinematic space or a place where you can have imagery and feelings and sort of transgressing the childhood stuff or open to your inner hero or whatever it is you want to do. It's the music that I, the music that I write comes from. inside of that vibe, right? So if I write music for a movie, you can write music and here's the scene, and I'm writing music for the scene. And the music is, the music is being informed by the film. The film's telling me kind of what to do. Or you can write from inside sort of inside the story. You go into the essence to the energy of the film. To the energy of the project, to the energy of the person, to the whatever. You just go into that space and then compose from inside of it, rather than writing music to describe the space you compose from inside of it. And that's what I do. Everything I write is like that. So. To me, what I do is a little bit different rather than just some cinematic music. It may not be, it may just be It may just still evoke a space and a feeling and an energy for somebody to, to go somewhere within themselves. But, um, I'm just describing what I do and I haven't heard anybody else describe that. Although I'm sure there are composers and musicians and artists that do that without being able to articulate it necessarily. But, um. There's definitely you. I believe everybody can feel the difference between music that comes from some place with,'cause you're inside of a, a world, you're, being a vessel for something larger than you versus music that is just composed. That's really well done. I know composers, exceptional composers, but they're never gonna write anything that makes anybody feel, they're never gonna feel the fire in their. Body, they're never gonna feel the tears. it's

Jon Astacio: 51:54

It sounds.

Jonathan Beaudette: 51:55

that, but it's amazingly well done music, but it's not gonna take you there. Then there's other people who write something way more simple than that, and you just go into this emotional place. You know? It's just powerful. that was

Jon Astacio: 52:10

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 52:10

goal when I was in the Air Force. I was like, I don't want to be a great musician virtuoso, but a good player. You know? I just want to be able to write really well, make people feel something. I. that's what I strive for.

Jon Astacio: 52:23

Wow.

Jonathan Beaudette: 52:23

and all my work and my inner work and journey and shamanic stuff, and Brooks and all the training in the world and everything I've ever done has made me who I am today. And it, I'm all about the, the inner journey path. I think it's a really valuable path for people to take and making music that helps them, assist them into that. Is, uh, it feels like my, my pla my path. And also I do help, um, meditation facilitators do a good meditation. I'm kind of a voice coach in a, in a sense, a voice producer.

Jon Astacio: 53:04

that. you are.

Jonathan Beaudette: 53:07

Um, and so that, again, that helps people with their inner journey. You know, being the best person to guide somebody, or how do I say it, guiding somebody in the way that is most effective and using your voice in a way that is most effective to get the optimal result is great. It can be done without that. I've listened to really bad meditations and gotten something out of it. Uh, but, you know, people, people that, I mean, these are famous people. I could name the names, but I don't

Jon Astacio: 53:35

Ooh.

Jonathan Beaudette: 53:35

em down, but it's like, you know, if. Here's some advice. If you're gonna guide somebody through something and you guide them, and you guide them to a world and there's a master, and this master comes up to tell you something, don't suggest ideas of what they might tell you. Just leave it open. Don't be like, they might offer you a flower. They might offer you a, you know, don't

Jon Astacio: 53:56

well, that's that. That's the ego, right? Like, just like what you were saying, the ego coming in and like, let me just kinda like, no, just let it be interesting. And I like the fact that what you're doing comes after that. Those experiences with Brooke with, um, the going beyond, uh, medicinal, um, experiences and it will definitely and has already changed the way you create music and music is amazing. Um. I use it, I, you know, with my studies, right? And, um, yeah, yeah, for sure. So a lot of, a lot of really cool stories. I appreciate you man, is, um, let's say anybody is like, wow, you know what? I wanna know more about this guy. I wanna get in touch with him. I wanna know, uh, like how do I find his music and whatnot. How do people reach you?

Jonathan Beaudette: 54:49

Yeah. Well, uh, many places am most social media. Um, I'm actually on all social media, but Instagram is the one I tend to. Hangout at most.

Jon Astacio: 55:00

Okay.

Jonathan Beaudette: 55:01

This is Jonathan Beaudette uh, J-O-N-A-T-H-A-N-B-E-A-U-D-E-T-T-E. Um, that's also jonathan bodett.com and cinematic meditation music is a licensing platform. You probably, you may not need that, but you can contact me through that website also. It's kind of easy to remember. And spell cinematic meditation music.com. And, um, yeah, I don't know. Reach out if you've got something to share or ask. I'm open, so,

Jon Astacio: 55:35

Sounds cool, man. Thanks again for coming out on the show. Show, uh, I enjoyed it.

Jonathan Beaudette: 55:40

has been a, this has been fun. I, the thing with my experience with Brooks is that, and, and his wife Allison, who's still doing work today, and she's amazing. As much as Brooks was like the sky and the father and, and the energy, she is the earth. The mother, the feminine, the, and just as divine, but in a human way.

Jon Astacio: 56:04

Hmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 56:04

And that was really effective for my healing and stuff also. So it wasn't just Brooks, they were a pretty powerful duo. Um, but my time with Brooks and that whole experience was how do I share everything I gained with people?'cause there's some really unique stuff and I hope that maybe some of these stories help people kind of realize what's possible for you. He may not be around here anymore, but there's other people. All healing is possible in every way, the psyche, body and everywhere. So I just wanna encourage people to know that, that, and, uh, I hope that, uh, what I did. at least helpful for anybody.

Jon Astacio: 56:52

For sure, man.

Jonathan Beaudette: 56:53

yeah. To feel better and, you know, walk down the path

Jon Astacio: 56:57

Cool man.

Jonathan Beaudette: 56:58

heart. It's what we're here for.

Jon Astacio: 57:01

That's, I, I, I really feel that. The message was brought across. I, I was, I was, I was there when you were describing it. I was there. So I feel like when I share the story of our conversation, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be like, yeah. You know, and my, my mind is gonna fill in the gaps of not being there. You know, I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some trivia dreams after this episode for anybody listening.

Jonathan Beaudette: 57:26

Oh yeah. One more thing. Uh, the me I did audios with Brooks,

Jon Astacio: 57:29

Mmm.

Jonathan Beaudette: 57:30

we did some audios, guided inner journeys and, uh. I dunno if they're still out there, but I'm gonna release the first one. It's gonna be on YouTube and other streaming services. It'll be there in March. Um, it was called who I Am properly Enough, um, for the work that he was doing at the time, but I don't know if that's what I'm gonna call it. Um, but reach out to me if that's interesting and or reach out to John here and, um, letting John know about it as it comes up. So.

Jon Astacio: 58:02

Awesome, man.

Jonathan Beaudette: 58:03

so people, there's a way to have an experience of Brooks Somewhat.

Jon Astacio: 58:06

That's so cool. Yeah, keep me posted on that for sure, man. All right. Thanks for coming on, man.

Jonathan Beaudette: 58:11

You're welcome. Thank you so much. It's been awesome. It's been really fun.